Wednesday, December 28, 2005

'The lost message' on Christian Fundamentalism

The 'totally lost message' has been writing an entertaining series on Christian Fundamentalism. He and I go back a long way. In fact, we both became Fundies together in our late teens, and so he writes with insight and sympathy. Nevertheless, in the best ecumenical tradition, his protestations have been curdling some Fundamentalist blood.

Much of his mean but hilarious Fundie-windup diplomacy happens on other blogs. Most amusing of all was his recent escapade onto a Fundie blog in which he took issue with the hermeneutic being used by the contributors (i.e. just quote the bible and that's that). He actually managed to convince one poor soul (honestly!) that he owned a freedom-yearning slave, but didn't want him released because the bible doesn't command him to!

Simon's posts have been all the more interesting as he, like myself, is a 'recovering Fundie' (i.e. someone who has learnt a lot from this tradition - above all a deep love of and respect for the Scriptures, an emphasis on a lively 'relationship with Christ', and a prayerful devotional life - but cannot stand its 'turn brain off' tactic, dubious proof-texting, some of its doctrines concerning Scripture, bizarre and blinkered hermeneutics, overly sectarian intellectual-social-positioning, often fruit-loop eschatology, the conquer-all mentality, its frequent 'God-ordained' association with the political right, and its often arrogant quasi-scholarly intellectual bankruptcy - especially in many of its so-called apologists. That's my definition of a 'recovering Fundie' anyway). Have a look at these:

Part 1: Introduction
Part 2: Fundamentalist understanding of Scripture A
Part 3: Fundamentalist understanding of Scripture B
Part 4: Fundamentalism and Biblical texts
... more is promised, including a superb short analysis of 2 Tim 3:16 (I've read a draft)

But as Jim West recently wrote on his blog: "Conversations with Fundamentalists are dead end streets and not really worth the time or effort they require". While this is, I doubt, meant as a universal truth, my own experience of late has been sadly confirming his claim. Normally, discussion with Fundamentalists do not even begin; you become a deviant to be corrected. But in another sense, I'm happily resigned to this. We all have our own perspectives, and the Fundies have there own uniqunesses with which to enrich the Christian tradition.

6 Comments:

At 12/28/2005 3:06 AM, Blogger T.B. Vick said...

Chris states:
". . . but cannot stand its 'turn brain off' tactic, dubious proof-texting, some of its doctrines concerning Scripture, bizarre and blinkered hermeneutics, overly sectarian intellectual-social-positioning, often fruit-loop eschatology, the conquer-all mentality, its frequent 'God-ordained' association with the political right, and its often arrogant quasi-scholarly intellectual bankruptcy - especially in many of its so-called apologists."

Hey Chris, tell me what you really think! lol ;-)

 
At 12/28/2005 1:39 PM, Blogger Chris Tilling said...

Hi TB!

"Hey Chris, tell me what you really think! lol ;-)"

Oops. Was I overdoing the negatives you think?

Anyway, I've just seen on your wish list that you want John Piper's A God-Entranced Vision of All Things. You know, you can download that for free here.

All the best,
Chris

 
At 12/29/2005 12:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmm, dialogue with Fundies: is it worth the time and energy?

I spent parts of several summers working at a Fundamentalist Christian summer camp (i.e. they encourage their staff to go to Jerry Falwell's university!). In my 6th summer I was the Spiritual Director for new counselors, and in my 7th summer I was the Assistant Director of the camp and I was in charge of leading all the staff Bible studies.

Needless to say this lead me to engage in considerable dialogue with Fundies (try leading a Bible study [secretly] called "Why God doesn't give a fuck about Swearing" at a Fundie camp and see how it goes over for you). There were several interesting moments. I almost lost my job over my stance on hell, although some very carefully worded statements got me out of that one (I believe in hell is an experience of godforsakenness but not as a state of eternal damnation, but I didn't bother providing the definition when I made the statement -- rather, I thought, those who have ears to hear, let them hear). Another time after speaking about Christianity, feminism, and homosexuality a parent wrote to my boss and said that the devil was speaking through me to corrupt the youth. Yikes!

However, those were just the perks. I mostly had a very positive experience and found the dialogue to be very engaging and rewarding. Of course this could be due to the fact that I was mostly talking with people who were in their late teens and early twenties and were removed from their home environments. One kid even decided not to join the marines (he had already enlisted) after I taught a week of Bible studies on war, violence, and Christian identity (unfortunately he later recanted after his mother sent him a sermon by, surprise, surprise, Billy Graham).

So, I don't know. Maybe dialogue can be fruitless when dealing with entrenched fundies but we sure as hell can steal their children!

Peace,

Dan

 
At 12/29/2005 3:51 AM, Blogger the lost message said...

Great comment Dan

 
At 12/29/2005 7:20 AM, Blogger T.B. Vick said...

No, actually I think you hit the nail on the head, Chris. I was chuckling because of personal experience in my own upbringing around certain 'fundies.'

I was raised in a mild 'fundie' environment (at church that is) and was even told by these 'fundies' that the music I listened to was the "devil's music."

Apparently the devil has some pretty good music :-)

btw, thanks for the link.

 
At 12/30/2005 1:17 AM, Blogger Chris Tilling said...

Thanks for your entertaining prose Dan!
A potential future newsflash: Man (Daniel Soandso), found dead in woods with 20 pitch-forks in face. Police have heard reports of a mass mob consisting of what looked like 30-40 angry parents.

 

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